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Can a kratom product be the same even if it is a different harvest?

If someone tells you that you will get the same product and it’s a different harvest, you just need to stop buying from them altogether. Most times the product will be different. We are not sure how anyone can be sure that it will be the same product.

How big can a kratom tree get?

Most trees that your get product from are young trees only 10-15 foot tall and a couple of years old. But, some of the wild trees we get product from are over 90 feet tall and said to be 75 years old. This tree can grow to enormous heights if left to grow naturally and in the right climate.

How much kratom is on one tree?

A simple rule that isn’t always true is 1-2 kilos per foot. A big & old wild tree maybe 60 ft tall will only produce 50-100 kilos of a wet leaf.

How much kratom is in one harvest?

The plantation tree might have thousands planted, whereas the wild trees might be bunched up into small groups of 3 to 4.

Does “red” always mean sleepy?

No. Everything is dependent on the person and amount.

Does “Green” always mean in the middle of sleepy and energizing?

No. Everything is dependent on the person and amount.

Does “White” always mean energizing?

No. Everything is dependent on the person and amount.

What does kratom come from?

Kratom is a plant indigenous to southern Asia, and some have even claimed it can be found in parts of Africa.

What about global legality?

Its legality in the world is a dizzying subject as some regions have reported no deaths or significant issues but seem to have outlawed it to preserve the profit of other markets. 

Why did the Thai government make kratom illegal?

In Thailand When the Thai government started levying taxes from users and shops involved in the opium trade, many users switched to kratom to manage their withdrawal symptoms. The Greater East Asia War in 1942 and declining revenues from the opium trade eventually suppressed the opium market competition by making kratom illegal.

Why didn’t the DEA make it illegal in 2016?

The only reason it remains legal is the grassroots efforts of over 100,000 petitions that were signed by Americans. In 2016 people made kratom a historical event by forcing the DEA to overturn a decision that was going to make kratom a schedule 1 drug. They were going to class it alongside heroin.

Where is kratom illegal in the United States?

Despite the efforts of hundreds of thousands of people, kratom has been made illegal in a few states and cities which are: Alabama, Arkansas, Sarasota, Fl., Indiana, 28 counties in MS, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington D.C., Wisconsin, San Diego, Jerseyville, IL.

How do you Toss and Wash kratom?

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Is extract good or bad?

Many kratom enthusiasts are said to dislike extract use. The kratom loving opponents of extract state that the regular leaf is just as good and has a natural limit so that abuse is prevented. They also bring up the fact that scientifically there is no known method of extracting all the valuable alkaloids and regular leaf is the only way to get all the uses out of it.

What are other names for kratom?

In America, it is called krahtom, or cratom. In other parts of the world, it is called kakuam, biak-biak, krahtom, ketum, thomb, thang, or even just the letter K.

When kratom first hit the eCommerce scene, people would describe using it as an incense. You will indeed find many experienced users still using terms from that period. In forums like Erowid, users would explain their use by saying things like “the aroma was strong”, or the “aroma was weak” … So if you see someone talking about aroma in a kratom forum, well, now you know.

Is the Kratom Consumer Protection Act a good thing?

In some states, the Kratom Consumer Protection act has been passed. In Utah, the KCPA gives all the power to regulate sales in the state. For example, in Utah, if your friend sold you part of his kratom then the seller of it can go to jail. The department of agriculture issues out licenses and anyone who doesn’t have a license can see criminal charges if they sell it. It also can completely shut down sales of it when it sees fit. While the Kratom Consumer Protection Act indicates it is protecting the consumers, beyond that title, it is giving complete control to the government in individual states. The AKA (American Kratom Association) is very popular with a lot of kratom consumers and consistently sends out emails to get support through donations. In their emails, they frequently speak about the Kratom Consumer Protection act but rarely, if ever, speak of the implications of that act itself. The AKA helps keep kratom legal, but some folks do not agree with all of their methods. Extremists will state that it should never be regulated and the same can go for the overreach of the folks who want to overly regulate it.

Why can’t I use a credit card to buy kratom?

It is entirely against all terms of service for every single domestic credit card company. Visa, Mastercard, and American Express will cancel service immediately if they find that one of their clients is processing kratom with credit or debit. Payment options are limited due to the targeting of finances in what is allegedly connected to an initiative or the United States Department Of Justice called Operation Choke Point. The term is searchable on Wikipedia. Some kratom advocates say the efforts to ban the sale of kratom in all financial institutions is fueled by the government’s desire to stop the sales of kratom.

Why can’t I use a PayPal or other 3rd party platforms to buy kratom?

The sale of kratom is not allowed on any 3rd party platform such as PayPal, Venmo, Cash App, Zelle, and many more. In the competitive field of kratom sales, some vendors are also known to check out on a competitor’s website and report any infractions so that the ability to accept payments will be shut down.

There are a couple vendors in America using credit card, why?

Any vendor located in the united states using any debit/credit solution or any 3rd party payment platform is doing so against the terms of service. Often vendors will create fake companies to launder money through and accept payments that way. IF you ever see a disclaimer at check out telling you that a different company name will be charging your card, this is what is happening. That vendor will have a “dummy” company set up with matching prices and be running credit and debit charges through those companies. Another way some vendors accept credit or debit is by using international credit card companies. But these companies are notorious for demanding large upfront payments, charging huge interest rates and requiring there be no cash out’s for up to 3 months. The bad part about this situation is most credit cards will get denied by international credit card companies, and the customer will have to call the bank to accept the charge. No international credit card processor will accept all major cards, either. And a large portion of the companies that process will eventually steal money from the company.

Are alkaloids listed on packages accurate?

We have found it to be unethical to list alkaloid percentages on any labels. Currently, some states require the labeling of the two most popular alkaloids, mitragynine, and 7-hydroxy mitragynine. But, It is common for alkaloid values to be inaccurate in commercially sold products. The alkaloid labeling practice is growing popular in the legislation sector, regardless of the facts. It’s a common thing for experienced users to make fun of the companies labeling exact alkaloid percentages claiming that whenever they see higher percentages of alkaloids labeled, the product usually doesn’t live up to the hype. It is accused of being a regulatory measure that is being abused as a marketing ploy. 

Is there a reason for all the names currently in the market, like; Thai, Maeng Da, etc?

There are advocates of the naming system, but interestingly, none of those defenders can trace any logical reason to the current naming system kratom has.

What about “Horned” or “Horn” kratom?

When speaking of “strains”, sometimes there are descriptive names that depict the leaf’s physical traits like White Horned. Some plants have 1 or 2% of its leaves get tiny spikey ridges on the leaf itself, hence the name Horn. Even though there aren’t enough Horny Leaves to justify its name, someone along the lines decided to market the name Horn or Horned. And, lab tests comparing a horned leaf and a regular leaf from the same tree showed very little difference. Once again, pointing to the origin of the name being a marketing ploy as opposed to a substantial description or scientific term. 

What about “Elephant” kratom?

There are also names for describing the larger leaves like Green Elephant. Some people claim that there is a phenotype with larger leaves, but there is just not enough substantial evidence to justify the name Elephant. As is most times, the name is entirely made up. With Elephant, someone along the line figured that bigger is better and just decided to run with name. Then the fear of missing out theory kicks in, and everyone mysteriously starts selling Elephant because they think customers will all run to the new product. Which they do, so the strategy continues. But, it’s a baseless and dishonest practice for the seller.

Is there a Bali kratom?

Bali doesn’t have kratom growing within its region. Most indigenous Bali residents have no idea what kratom is.

Do Indonesians use kratom?

Most people in Indonesia have no clue what kratom is at all. 

What is silly about Red Borneo or Red Indo?

An even sillier point is that names like Red Borneo and Red Indo mean precisely the same thing. As the Island of Borneo is Indonesian, so, therefore, Borneo is Indo and vice versa.  We now use these titles again. We just use the titles from the vendors.

Should I specifically be interested in one area of harvest?

Occasionally, a customer can ask things like, “Do you have a Jong Kong? Or say something like, “Only Jong Kong works for me.” Or “Green Bali is the only thing that works for me”. Well, I have bad news for those folks, that is just pointless is counter-intuitive. There are many reasons why this is not correct. Batches are different every time, and an area can have many different phenotypes growing that produce many different alkaloid values depending on how the harvest. 

What is the problem with kratom during the rainy season?

Rain forests tend to rain a lot. Harvesting products during the monsoon season is a sure-fire way to get a bum product? And every region goes through severe flooding at the least once a year. The fact is, the weather is something that can dictate quality. The monsoon season can hurt kratom harvesting. While you can find great products during the rainy season, you have to depend on your trustworthy network. The reason quality is hampered, is because leaves grow at a faster rate and they might be harvested too early because they look the right size to harvest. Unless the harvester has a record of their harvesting and keeps track of the exact harvest dates of harvested leaves, then you are bound to get a weak product 2-4 months out of the year. Most harvesters go off their opinion using their sight, and since the leaves look more prominent, they will pick them too early, and it will not be as good as a matured leaf. If harvesters aren’t paying attention to exact leaves, they will fail during monsoon season. So, if a vendor blindly orders from one area (one source), they are guaranteed to order low quality at least 2 to 4 months ou of the year. This ignorance will be passed off to you in the form of quality.

What is a phenotype or genotype?

Two things influence the genetic structural formation of any given mitragyna speciosa plant: genetics and environment. The plant’s genetic makeup, also called a genotype, acts as a blueprint for its growth: it allows a spectrum of physical possibilities, but it is up to the environment to induce these characteristics. The physical expression of a genotype is referred to as a phenotype, which is simply defined as the traits that the environment pulls out from the plant’s genetic code. The market refers to different phenotypes as “strains” or “regions”. Unfortunately, we have no scientific method to identify these so-called “strains” and the products labelled by their supposed “regions” are also misleading the consumer.

Is there consistency in kratom, in general?

Most people believe there is some sort of consistency between the names of kratom. There most certainly is not. Many different phenotypes are growing in any one region, and there is no standard way to separate these kratom phenotypes from one another, so the consistency represented in the commercial market is a fallacy. It is a lie. Using these facts we can deduce that most kratom “regions” or “strains” are entirely fabricated names and they mean absolutely nothing. In today’s market, stores are flooded with misinformation regarding “strains” and “regions.” Why? Well, because people need consistency when ordering or they get confused and indecisive won’t make a purchase.*

Instead of telling people of kratom’s actual inconsistencies, suppliers have convinced the market that different effects are displayed with each unique term made up. For instance, the Indonesians first introduced this false labelling of mitragyna speciosa products with the advent of the name “Maeng Da.” The term “Maeng Da” is a slang term originating in Thailand.

What does Maeng Da mean?

The term “Maeng Da” is a slang term originating in Thailand. It’s somewhat derogatory meaning in Thailand has the equivalent meaning “fine ass hoe”, and its equivalent definition in Thai would be “Pimp Grade” It is NOT a term that can separate types of kratom. Currently, there are no biological markers used when growing or purchasing kratom in our market today. Names like Borneo, Thai, Maeng Da, Horn, Vietnam, Etc. are terms made up to convince the consumer that there are unique products offered that do different things.

Can one region have many different types of kratom?

Even if these products are grown in these regions, they still can and will produce different phenotypes, which in turn can produce differing effects. Nobody knows the actual names of each product. And the consistency represented through these fake names is just not reality. The use of counterfeit terms has produced a mass manipulation that is unlike anything ever seen before in similar industries. But anyone who uses deductive reasoning when analyzing the kratom industry can quickly notice that something fishy is going on. In today’s climate, honest marketing is next to impossible. 

Other than a different phenotype, how do alkaloids differ in kratom?

Each tree can even have differing alkaloid sequences. For example, a leaf receiving more sunlight at the top of a tree will have a slightly different alkaloid sequence then a leaf at the bottom of a tree that resides in the shade. There are many environmental factors that can play out that is just one example. The drying processes can induce a unique product as well. Air, light, time, etc. can impact the final outcome of a leaf. Many variables can change during the harvest of each tree that make it almost impossible to list any alkaloid percentage accurately. Which by the way, renders alkaloid lab tests useless for marketing purposes. Depending on the situation, only 1-150 kilos of wet leaves come off of the tree. Then all those alkaloids change throughout the process of manufacturing the powder, shipping it and waiting for you in the store. Alkaloids are proven to change over time while in storage, so that fact alone makes labelling alkaloid values a lie.

Do other vendors categorize colors the same way?

Each colour red, white, green and yellow has two different meanings. One way of separating by color is making the powder the actual shade included in its name. They are changing the actual powder colour. Additionally, you will hear the words, “white vein, red vein, or green vein”. This vein is referencing the stem color of the plant. The vein or stems of these leaves can have different shades. Some suppliers separate the leaves by the color shades of stems. The actual hue of the powder that we just finished speaking about is different than the “vein” color. 

How do they change the color of the actual powder?

Exporters use different drying techniques that create various colors of the powder. Some people say this affects the experience. For example, a red colored leaf is put inside a bag or container when fresh the first couple days of its curing process. After a couple of days, the leaves are then dried outside. This process colors the powder red. A lot of folks do not believe in the colored product as much as others do. Many purists believe in a pure green colored product, which is dried in dark ventilated rooms, and they explain that fermentation is risky for no gain at all. Interestingly they explain the fermentation process naturally increases the chance of salmonella and e-coli, making advocates of pure leaf powder have a better case for industry dominance. Most of the people we speak to are not fans of the reddish, yellowish or whiteish colored product. And they say they see minimal advantages to coloring a product by fermentation complaining that the market is filled with so many different colors and drying techniques that it makes consistency hard. Most exporters have their proprietary methods to color products, and there is no industry standard, so that leaves it open to dangerous techniques. But green color is achieved by dark, well ventilated room. White colored powder is achieved by lots of light while the product is drying. People can use powerful lights or use sunlight.

What colors can the veins be?

The vein color is either, whiteish, light green, very light green (yellowish), dark green, light red or red.

What color should pure kratom be?

All powder should be green at its purest form! In the premium product, very little of the actual stem and veins are used in the final powder, so in theory, every pure powder should be green in color. The industry has confused the consumers by unnaturally coloring the powder by using proprietary drying techniques to change the hue of the product while additionally using the vein colors to separate them as well. Common sense indicates that all powder should be green as the leaf is 95% green!

Does science insinuate that kratom can produce different effects?

Professor Mccurdy from the University Of Florida says that the Green and White veins are precisely the same things but, some other folks have offered up piles of anecdotal evidence refuting this. But still, the only published scientific opinion about this indicates that all the mitragyna speciosa on today’s market is structurally similar and shouldn’t be producing polarizing effects. Interestingly, most kratom users think this to be untrue as their results are ever-changing with this mysterious leaf. Everyone we know says differing effects happen somehow, and we just don’t know-how. Mitragyna speciosa, in general, is similar in its alkaloid structure between its phenotypes. The actual plant itself doesn’t have significant differences in the 40 or so alkaloids inside each leaf. Science has proven this. Leaving the difference in effects peculiar to an onlooker. We believe in a couple of reasons kratom can differ from one another. The first might be the most controversial. We suspect that specific effects can be enhanced or even created by what we know is called “the placebo effect” and secondly by folks independently processing each alkaloid different from each other. It has been said that each person individually handles each alkaloid differently. So, in theory, each result will be unique, every time. The exact results are not necessarily a result of the leaf. It is possible that the result is created by the way each processes alkaloids. We think the reason there are extreme differences in kratom is how each p—– reacts to each alkaloid separately.

Is the placebo effect real?

The placebo effect also plays a significant role. That is why the market offers so many different varieties. Because they separate the effects by the supposed strains, thus propelling the placebo effect in action. In short, if we both increased our happiness in the same amount and we started at the same point, we would be at the same point of joy. But, if you start at a happier place than I start, and we gain the same amount of happiness. You are at a more blissful point than I am. Thus explaining why “the placebo effect” is so essential in this product. In the same context, if the name of the kratom entices the b—- to believe they will get tired, then they might get sleepy, sometimes this has little to do with the actual leaf as well as much as the power of persuasion, also known as the placebo effect. The folks we talk to believe that people with positive mindsets have a more enjoyable experience. So, when you take away the easiness of the current lies about labelling (i.e.: reds for sleep, whites for energy etc.) anxiety will go up; thus the eff—- will not be as pronounced. People believe this is an authentic thing.

Why is most kratom of bad quality in America?

 Let’s go back a couple of years, circa 2016, at that time the world of kratom exploded onto the scene. The kratom rush was on. Many vendors in America took advantage of the booming interest. And just as many farmers from Indonesia capitalized on that boom. The number of Indonesian farmers who planted plantations exploded! What this boom did, was lead to a massive oversupply of kratom. And kratom was soon to be fast-tracked to stardom. Sprawling plantations took over Indonesia. A land that was once dominated by rubber was now immersed in kratom. In 2016 and until now the kratom planting craze was on! Naturally, wholesale suppliers want to make a quick profit, capitalizing on fast production and inexperienced buyers. The improper management of trees was a regular occurrence, and early harvesting took over the industry. And currently, some experts now predict that 99.5% of all kratom powder in the US is harvested prematurely.

What is the ideal kratom tree?

Organic wild kratom trees, preferably over 20 meters tall and older than five years, are ideal. It is said that any tree with leaves that grow less than 120 days aren’t going to be at their best. The younger leaves aren’t given enough time to mature and won’t achieve maximum alkaloid values. Experts say the entourage of the Alkaloids are what makes this product work, and you need them to be at their absolute best. So, sporting leaf from immature leaves will severely reduce the quality of kratom, and most suppliers will not grow for quality. They will grow for quick sales.

What is the “bait and switch?”

A common practice that exporters abuse regularly is a version of “bait and switch” A couple of times a year, some farmers can, on occasion, get “passible” products from a 3-4-year-old tree. But, even that borderline “passible” product most often, will NOT a product the consumer will ever see. That “passible” product is only meant for the wholesale suppliers to get as samples or to be sent to the lab to portray a better product then they can viably produce. The commercial end-user will never see that product. They will most likely get something entirely different. Certain types of bait and switch is common practice with foreign farmers and just as prevalent with stateside vendors. There are a couple of ways to manipulate buyers.

One method has the harvesters growing one tree different than his entire plantation. The farmer will let their leaves of that tree grow for a longer time. Mature leaves produce better results. Those particular trees are used for marketed lab tests and SAMPLES only. A regular consumer will never see them.

A similar method that is used revolves around finding a wild tree on the private property somewhere in the jungle. The plantation owner will then plant hundreds of trees around that wild tree. They will then use that as their bait and switch the subject. Wild, older trees will yield a better end product. So the plantation owner will send that trumped up sample to a wholesale buyer, then when they get their order filled they will get the young trees with young leaves as their order. This is one of the most widely used practices to trick wholesale buyers.

A plantation owner or even a domestic vendor will test only it’s best products because comprehensive lab analysis is expensive and not very practical. These best products are only grown for “show”. They grow in coddled environments just to be submitted for lab tests and also used to produce the limited samples that fool prospective buyers. Most US buyers will never catch this, as almost all stateside volume vendors will not rely on humans, to test product quality. Experts predict most kratom transactions in the US involve this technique. This practice is prevalent. Be wary of anyone that will pushes lab tests to the forefront of their marketing. Many experts we know say they haven’t met a vendor that publishes accurate lab results for the current product they offer. And as you can start to see, logistically it’s almost impossible. It just doesn’t happen because it isn’t realistic.

Can one tree have multiple alkaloid levels?

A single tree can have multiple different alkaloid outcomes. Let’s think about a common 5-15 meter tall plantation tree. Depending on the maturity of the leaves and the thickness of that tree, that plant will only yield 5 to 15 kilograms of product. And what makes the situation foggier, depending on how the leaves are sorted, there can be many different results on one single tree. Leaves can get sorted in many different ways when harvesting and each leave can have a slightly different Alkaloid level. A young leaf will have a different alkaloid value than an old leaf. A top of the tree leaf will differ from a bottom of the tree leaf.

Additionally, many times suppliers will pick the old leaves first and then select the young leaves after. Separating them for their proprietary reasons. And to cloud it up, even more, each tree can be slightly different. 

Is a human the best tester for quality?

You need a real human to decide a sample for its quality. A human quality test will always be better than a cherry-picked lab specimen.

How long should a leaf grow?

Most plantations only let their leaves grow for 7-21 days before harvesting them and rushing them off to the buyer. A premium leaf should mature for at least 120 days. But, it doesn’t always have to be 120 days to be quality because genetically some leaves are just naturally better than others. But, finding great genetics is rare.

Are there fake lab tests out there?

In today’s market, you must also be ready to spot forged lab tests. Locating fake lab results every month is a routine procedure for some of the more experienced companies out there. Utilizing Photoshop to zoom in on the results to spot fakes is an everyday thing for the experts in the industry. Easily manipulating lab tests by forging them is just as prevalent as the “bait and switch” method.

Do lab tests promote dishonesty?

Lab tests promote corrupt practices in the kratom industry because of the large amount of product represented by one single test. Exporters will say they tested acres of products. But in reality, they only tested one small portion. Batches are harvested by many different hands, over days and days, with tons and tons of product, represented by one itsy bitsy sample. The best way to have a clean product is by using on-site testing kits. Companies can currently test for yeast, mould, fungi, salmonella, e-coli and nine different metals in their facility. Using the easily accessible current fruit and vegetable testing equipment rather than than the expensive, non-practical lab tests. Some believe lab tests are pushed forward by those who would benefit from regulation. One person asked me “How many tomato farmers do you think would be in business if they had to lab test each tomato tree or each tomato harvest? That is very impractical. And that impracticality is why it does not happen.” They went on stating that they believe its a strategy. Most folks who support lab testing do not always have your best interests in mind, and that Lab testing is lazy and due to a large amount of product one test represents is a less clean way to declare product contamination-free.

Is on-site testing or lab testing a safer practice?

Let’s compare the two methods of testing. Lab testing only one 10g sample out of a 1 to 15-ton harvest or spot testing every 20 to 100 kilos in that 1 to 15-ton harvest? We believe companies must be able to test small batches frequently and quickly to assure contamination-free product. When you think about the logistics, there is no way you can approve of lab testing as a useful metric compared to the industries on-site testing methods. On-site testing is an economical way that will promote cleaner practices. It’s been whispered throughout the industry that big money, lab test sporting companies want to push out the small farmers and businesses by promoting unreasonable regulations condensing the sector down to a handful of big-money players, and then the money will funnel to the companies who can spend it on the impractical and unnecessary tests. Those whispers are saying people have “gamed” the system. The claim lying vendors will do one test for an absurd amount of product, and then they chalk it up as “clean and ready to go” and that some vendors even dare to show you one single lab test to represent a large amount of their menu. Then they will post lab results online or market them to anyone interested. A lab test is an unrealistic seal of approval that people look for. A responsible vendor like us can potentially test every single kilo brick from Indonesia by using in-house testing while also utilizing a panel of people to check for quality NOT by over representing a large freight container with a small sample.

Why do we have better product then other vendors in the industry?

Almost ALL wholesale kratom transactions are COD or 50/50 COD. What is that you ask? Well, COD technically means “Collect On Delivery” In short, with COD, people pay when the product arrives and not before then. COD or Collect On Delivery is the smartest way to do business if you are a lazy, wholesale kratom business owner importing large amounts of a low-quality product. The reason people do this is simple; they are scared to lose money. We have found, one of the reasons why a buyer won’t receive a quality product is simple, the shippers won’t send their premium products to someone who hasn’t paid in full. The buyers don’t check the quality of their product, and they are purchasing HUGE amounts of powder at one time. Those folks are the most valued customers for plantation owners who have fields of immature trees to supply the demand of the lazy buyer happily. With COD The buyers don’t trust the importing process or the exporter. So, COD protects them and also entices them to purchase from the exporter. The shipper can quickly grow back the leaf in as little as seven days, but the buyer cannot raise back the money. In COD, the exporter assumes the risk. And for those of you still scratching your head about 50/50 COD is 50% upfront and 50% on delivery. 50/50 COD is also a popular form of payment because each side assumes half the risk.

Kratom is so hard to understand that most people see a lab test and just agree to a low price on a COD. They decide to buy a couple of month’s worth of product while unknowingly underwhelming everyone who purchases it. This is how it works. In the end, they pay for what they got. They didn’t pay much, they didn’t pay upfront, so mostly they get garbage. For example, we suggest people find wild old trees and then risk their bankroll and pay their invoices upfront if they want the good stuff. Ask yourself this. If you were an Asian exporter and only had a small amount of premium powder, are you sending it out COD or 50/50 COD for a meager price or are you sending it to someone paying a little more AND paying upfront? This is common sense.

Why are certain products or vendor higher priced than others?

If you are looking for a rarer product, you are going to pay a slightly higher price than the jungle dirt getting peddled for low industry prices. People won’t be in business for to long if they are selling bad quality. If you deem someone having a high price but they have been in business for a long time, maybe there is something to that? Now, as for extremely premium products… it just takes longer to produce. Ideally, a tree would be harvested at the preferred rate of twice a year versus 25 times a year for some commercial products. And with this weird product, both of those harvests may be of differing quality. In reality, due to alkaloids ever-changing, you will never get the same product twice.